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Sé que no es la manera pero es demasiado grande como para no postear Shocked

Más de alguna vez mastro me tiró las orejas diciéndome que éste es un "Foro en Español"... Laughing perdón mastro, pero no me aguanté.. prometo ir traduciendo a medida que pueda y si alguien quiere cooperar... sientase libre de hacerlo... con juicio si poh!.




http://www.wired.it/magazine/archivio/2009/06.aspx

Un equipo científico en Italia ha probado que substituyeron a Paul. Hicieron una comparación biometrical del Paul/Faul.

Quisieron probar que el PID era "a Hoax", pero el resultado fue contrario. Este artículo es de la revista WIRED italiana de agosto de 2009.

Al parecer están diciendo que demasiado cambió en Paul, la cabeza, la cara... como para que esa persona sea "Paul".

Hay demasiada diferencia entre el cráneo, paladar, boca, nariz, quijada, barbilla, y ojos.
Paul tendría que haber experimentado una serie de cirugías importantes, haber tenido que usar fierros y alambres de apoyo que no habrían podido ser ocultados simplemente dejando crecer el bigote.
























A continuación va una traducción al inglés (+-), pero sirve para quienes hablan el idioma, incluso los que lo entienden van a poder darse cuenta del contenido.

Many polls confirm that the legend of P. I. D. is among the most known by public opinion. From today, perhaps, new polls could give results even more debt, thanks to discoveries of two Italian researchers that to check the whole of history are not limited to send the opposite musical tracks or to make the exegesis of a text but are appeals to rigid protocols that regulate the practice lawyer of the methodology identification.

Gabriella CARLESI and Francesco Gavazzeni are a strange couple:
she is an anatomopatologa, he is a computer. You are an expert in the recognition craniometrico, he puts the potential of computer available for discipline born in the mid 19 th century: the craniometria precisely. According to the Zingarelli, "is the science that deals with the measurement of the skull in relationship to Anthropology and the comparative anatomy".

Now, to identify a person absolute certainty the damage two tests: fingerprints and the DNA (if the samples is carried out correctly, which is not always the case). In the absence of blend of samples and the methodology of DNA identification avails itself of the anthropometry and, in particular, the craniometria, which is based on analysis of certain specific points, present in the face of anyone, due and codified in the 1800 from the French Paul Broca. What are these points? In terms not scientific we could define them the distance between the pupils, the intersection between the nose and the arches sopraccigliari, the point where the basis of the nose is detached from upper lip, the conformation of jaw and chin, the pavilions headsets. Then there is the form of the skull.


In general but the anatomy topographical prefers to talk, more than of specific points, to "regions", because in a few centimeters of skin may be more useful characteristics to establish similarities and differences. The anthropometry and the craniometria, as have an origin nineteenth century, are the basis of biometrics, the science used today for the recognition staff from intelligence more sophisticated of the world. Huge database of biometric data of terrorists and sought are quickly crossed and, according to algorithms generated by points of the face, reveal the true identity of people shooting by cameras or photographed to airports. As to CARLESI and Gavazzeni, cross their powers and, as happens in television series, see dawero what we unlani we cannot imagine. For this have assisted the investigations in cases of chronicle black or of intrigues international: from the monster of Florence the attack to John Paul II, from crimes Erika and Omar in Novi Ligure in the investigation into the death of journalist Ilaria Alpi.


Each time by adding elements vital, both for the police investigations in both for the tribunals and parliamentary committees of inquiry . Their expertise anthropometric on photographs and Movies have contributed to exclude that he was the Somali Hashi Omar Hassan to kill Ilaria Alpi and its operator MIRAN HROVATIN in May 1994 in Mogadishu. halido they opened a new track in the case of monster of Florence when, together with Professor John Pierucci, Dean of Italian legal medicine, have shown that the man from the lake Trasimeno in 1985 was not in fact, the doctor Francesco Narducci, Principal of the killings of suspected "monster".

The decision that pushes two experts this level to devote time and intelligence to the verification of P. I. D. is taken in a Saturday March 2006, in the Institute of Legal Medicine of Pavia.
It is here that has its center the team gathered around to Professor Pierucci, holder of the chair of Legal Medicine with the passion for history. And it is here that are recording the interviews for a documentary on the death of Benito Mussolini and Claretta Petacci, theme on which Pierucci and "its Boys" have no fact discoveries sensational by analysing the
photo of Piazzale Loreto, taken in Milan on 29 April 1945. Old and dramatic images able to reveal, only thanks to the most recent analysis techniques, special unpublished a dynamic of the events other than that of the classic execution.

In practice:

no two execution in front of the famous gate near of Mezzegra to 16 and the , 28 April 1945, but two killings distant between them some time and a few hundred meters away.
First Mussolini, perhaps during a over, he is struck from the front and to point while is t-shirt and without boots; later you, dressed and in fur, is cut to the shoulders. In later, he lined
to better and you without more fur, are brought to Piazzale Loreto. That day, none of the many photographers could imagine how many things could reveal, 60 Years After, their shots,
chiviato the case Mussolini-Petacci, comes the proposal for a new challenge: why not take a look a little old photos, this time of the 1960s, and demonstrate the groundless a legend underground so widespread as incredible?

The challenge is collected by Gabriella CARLESI and Francesco Gavazzeni with fun and a peak of enough, because here there are corpses or holes of bullet to analyse. Rather, it must push as far as possible their capacity to compare the images to discover if two faces belong to or no to the same person. A speciality that the two had already put in place some years before, when it was understand if in Piazza San Pietro, on 13 may 1981, next to Turkish Alì agca that shot to John Paul II there was or was less EC in reality it was discovered that there was) the Bulgarian Sergei Antonov.

The junction between craniometria and technology (which, among other things, allows to bring in proportions of the same subject homogeneous photo taken at different times) has llowed to observe, as never before, a series of images of Paul McCartney the 1960s to today. Gavazzeni explains: "Now is infinitely easier to see and note certain things, because the technique of Digital Processing allows a speed of comparison and a precision of analysis clearly superior to those of only ten years ago." The first step is therefore search and select images to put in proportion to the best Pictures quality and framing and carry out measurements and respect.

At the end we can deliver the verdict. On which neither Gavazzeni nor cadesi, to the top, seem serious doubts: "But Yes, I have said, we put two minutes to conclude that this is the same person", recalls the smiling anatomopatologa.

"A look at what they were on the Internet seemed sufficient to clear the affair: do not know operate with a proper methodology and so prove what they want".

In general, on many Web sites devoted to the legend of Paul is dead, the demonstration to what door? To say that, in November 1966, the "real" McCartney died in a car accident and was replaced by a double, left-handed and musician as him.

An operation sophisticated (but not the point of not leaving a trace), a deceit necessary for not obstructed a mechanism that produced gains fabulous. So amazing to give a breath of oxygen to the entire economy English. And so, for the rank of complottisti, also thanks to numerous tests that the same Beatles would have sown the seeds for years in the songs and on the covers of their album, the truth is only one. Not at random, Paul McCartney of successes by soloist, the tour record, of the campaigns vegetarian and of divorces billions is often called faui.

Not Paul but "OUT", a merger between fake, i.e. " false", and paui. The nickname is between the consequences of a storm media that begins on 12 October 1969 with the call of a not better identified Tom (Alfred for some sources) during the transmission conduct by DJ Russell Gibb on Radio wknr of Detroit. Tom was alleged that McCartney was dead, that his disappearance was kept secret from the other Beatles and from their management but that the group had also decided to sow a series of evidence in the disks, but no one is was still unaware of anything. The call in direct gave the boot to a treasure hunt that, at a distance of 40 years' not highlighted to finish.

"We knew these stories in a superficial, as a little all", they say CARLESI and Gavazzeni. "but not this was our point of departure. For us the base had to be good images, in large numbers and with an acceptable compatibility anatomical-monitor between them, ". The search is conducted to the whole field: pictures taken before the 1966 and photos certainly dating from 1967 in next, and while the Beatles were still united both during the period soloist of McCartney. "not been as easy as could seem" recalls Gavazzeni. "For the photo of the first years I noted the widespread uncertainty on dating, what that does not occur in the subsequent period.

Even, some snapshots have different dates in different agencies and the Best pictures are the property of photographers that not the grant too easily ". To be able to make a comparison between two different periods was therefore necessary to fix some fixed points, comparing the best available images of the same subject and realized in the short distance of time.

As a base element to determine the proportions and be able to proceed in the work was sacrificed an important aspect to the identification:

the distance regulation. In fact, having chosen this criterion, such as point of alignment of the images, not been able to use for comparing the different pictures. In other words, because all the rest were in scale something had vary.

Two images pre' 66, to be compared and brought on a single SCALE OF REFERENCE TO MAKE uniform the proportions, show a perfect coincidence of the main key points. In particular
the curve mandibular, i.e. the line that you can track to the computer to define the lower perimeter of the face, say from ear to ear passing through the chin, is basically identical. The margin of error is less than one percent . "As the perfect coincidence between two images is virtually impossible," explains Gavazzeni, "For convention is considered acceptable to maximum of 2, 5% of difference.

Beyond this limit, the discrepancy is that favour the different identity between the two subjects under consideration. Given that in this case the difference is less than the% a not a problem: the two pictures depict surely the same person ". This was at this point to seek other pictures, with similar characteristics, but after the alleged "accident".

The first photograph useful, TAKEN OF CERTAIN AFTER THE DATE OF'' incident'' is , to say, a picture emblematic. It is in fact inside of the cover of a disk not only important for the history of rock but fundamental, even in the development of the story of P. id.: Sgt. pepperjs Lonely Hearts Club Band) published in June 1967. For over eight months the Beatles not appear in public and now is catching up with a change of style and look that, with hindsight, it makes that increase the doubts. In fact, even without the craniometria, in the past
P. id. has been able to count on some anomalies able to feed the suspicion that, perhaps, something had happened really.

For the rest, not knowing the searches of CARLESI and Gavazzeni, Glauco including, author of the one Italian book on this theme (the case of double Beatle, Robin editions, 2007) noted that ", there is no doubt as the most of the facts or evidence is easily rebuttable, or appears decided mind ludicrous and paradoxical; on the other, it can be said that a good 30 % of them remains worrying, and not explained the logic". In the only Sgt. Pepper's been counted 40 different evidence, including the photo on which it has focused the attention of CARLESI and Gavazzeni. The legend of P. id. would not have had the impact this has had , without another initialled at first sight not less opaque:

O. P. D. is the one that is law on a curious distinctive McCartney has on the left arm in that picture. For almost all, McCartney in head, is a casual choice, a funny gadgets Canadian.
In fact O. P. D. would "Ontario police department. The version complottistica o.p.d. would indicate the formula used commonly by the police to declare the death of a person:

offlcially pronounced goddess D, namely "officially declared dead ". "At the beginning we have chosen the McCartney of Sgt. Pepper) s not because we thought in the true meaning of O. P. D. but simply because it seemed a photo that was to our case. Certainly not imagined yet how many things we would have helped to discover the ", says Gavazzeni.

That McCartney, certainly portrait in the first half of 1967, was then assisted on another picture of a few years later, taken between 1971 and 1972. The objective was to repeat the operation of comparison already made with images of the first 1960s and then proceed to COMPARATIVE EXAMINATION OF DATA emerged from the two groups of images. Also in this case , between the two new images there is a good compatibility. There was therefore that compare the data of the images preceding the date of the alleged incident and subsequent. "The surprise was a great ", says Gavazzeni: "The curve mandibular BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS OF picture had a discrepancy of more than 6.5 percent, well above the threshold of error. But there was more. CHANGED ITS DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROFILE mandibular: before the 1966 each side of the jaw is composed of two curves net; from 1967 there seems to be a single curve. There is therefore curve morphological different ".

And the surprises do n't end there because the implacable Gavazzeni, as a boxer that feel near the and of awersario, not spring the TAKEN ON THAT Photo in which McCartney, ignorant, mentions a grin a bit perplexed: "to the naked eye will note that that will be a constant in the photos from that moment on, a couple of readjustments photographic sufficiently evident at a glance expert. There is a shadow that covers the outer corner of the left eye. only for some time not seen more. and going to observe in that point, where for years there has been that spot dark, now we note a middle way between a scar and the sign of the skin stretched as to a readjustment aesthetic.

The explanation is that probably immediate, already in the 1960s, HAS BEEN MADE AN OPERATION TO INTERVENE ON THE eyes but which remained something of imperfect, which for a long time has moved on to mask ". There is then a detail that concerns the conformation of the skull: "Even, the impression is that the form of the head has been made it a little
more rounded nose", says Gavazzeni: "Therefore, be reduced in l ength effective, by means of a escamotage in use at the time and that it had in phase of the press' . Modify actually the conformation of the skull of an individual person is an impossibility. Yet, judging from the photos, it is precisely what one sees.

Gabriella CARLESI adds a further element:

"compared to previous photos, that of Sgt. Pepper's shows clearly that the commessura speech, that the line formed by the union of two lips, suddenly elongated. which, of course is not possible and that the moustasches not manage to camouflage ". In other words, and is phenomenon all too often now, Lips can be inflated and increased in volume, but the extent of commessura speech may not vary much. can be very slight alterations, but this is not the case of the photo examined: here the difference between the BEFORE AND AFTER is too strong to be caused by any surgery. And in more, and always moustache , McCartney of Sgt. pepper>s, perhaps it is tried to hide another element: what the experts called the point nose-cord or sottonasale. is the point between the two nostrils where the nose begins to break away from the face: "This is also in this case for a feature that the medicine surgical cannot alter. can change the shape of the nose but not the point nose-spinal ", explains Gabriella CARLESI. "and between the McCartney of the first group of pictures and that of the second that point varies clearly".

Conscious of not having left nothing to chance, CARLESI and Gavazzeni, between the surprised and the amused, are beginning to admit to being puzzled. says Gabriella: "we liked
the idea of applying also to this case a rigorous methodology , accepted and request for work of some importance. But not publication of Sgt. pepper>s Lonely Hearts Club band> instead, the palate of McCartney widens considerably, to the point that the front teeth not revolve more on its axis as before. With the only, on, except in the usually Canino. "a change in the form of the palate", concludes CARLESI, "in the 1960s was not impossible but would be very traumatic, the fruit of a genuine intervention maxillo-facial surgery". In practice McCartney would have put in a transaction that would have resulted in the bone and then a long orthodontic treatment and prosthetic. In other words, to obtain a change in the 1960s sensitive to McCartney would have been not only to a particularly painful intervention and cruel but also the use of a fixed orthodontic, then multibande, for more than a year. What it would not be possible to hide and that would have had obvious effects on vocal performance of a singer professional. "But above all", concludes Gabriella CARLESI, "that reasons could have Paul McCartney to undergo such a calvary?".

Unnecessary put this question to direct concerned: Paul McCartney, as the other Beatles, has always preferred clear on questions DIRECT OR IS appeal to the irony to put in ridiculous throughout the whole affair. One between McCartney and the legend of his death is a game'. In reality, reaffirm CARLESI and Gavazzeni, had he wanted to put the word end to all this history McCartney could do this by time. As long as was in life, his father could do for example an examination of the DNA to confine the history of P. I. D. once and for all the world of
imagined that in a certain point, our investigation would have taken the direction that was taking... ". The same wonder that picks who analyses in its dynamic (esoteric, communication, musical ) the story of the presumed death and replacement of Paul McCartney takes possesion also of the two researchers, as and when it concerning in the study of the images considered most suitable for checks craniometri that. "The more we encouraged a response and most other time", recalls Gavazzeni. "seemed impossible but the idea that something was always reverts stronger, day after day, photo after Photo". The challenge was made intriguing, would have gone forward: also because other aspettiimportanti awaiting examined. Starting with the one in which cadesi excels Gabriella and for which enjoys international fame:

the identification dental. More McCartney sings and show smiling, more CARLESI collects elements to feed its doubts: "For me the evidence of: tests is represented by the shape of the palate, still more than from the teeth".

There are things impossmili and things that are possible but at the price of operations long, painful and never be perfect. Species if made in the 1960s . Now, the careful examination of some images of McCartney before and after the Autumn 1966 leaves, is the case of say, open-mouth:

"First of all there is the canine upper right", noted Gabriella CARLESI. "n elle previous photos to 1966 is known as sticks out compared to the line of dental Arch. is the classic case of a tooth that lack of space ends for disallinearsi, pushed out of the pressure of the other teeth. It is curious that the same Canino, in the photos from 1967 in next, sticks out always but without apparent reason:

the images show that would have the space to be aligned to the teeth neighbours. It is as if it is wanted to recreate a detail in a mouth where that anomaly it would never could
demonstrate ". li crux of the reasoning of identification Odontologica suggested by Gabriella CARLESI concerns the whole palate of McCartney, before the 1966, is showing close to the point to justify various misalignments of teeth, albeit in forms less obvious Canino right upper. After the legends. Or Paul could run his younger brother Re, Mike. And instead has done nothing. Indeed, the only time that was forced to an examination is has fed new suspicions and questions. which has given voice a woman of the German 45 years, Bettina krischbin, so-called daughter of McCartney fruit of a relationship between the young musician not yet famous and Erika against, a blonde girl of Hamburg where the Beatles did part of their dedicated.

In 1961, when he was born Bettina, McCartney not recognise the daughter wanted but, curiously, contributed to keeping with a monthly payment of 200 marks. Erika is long, Bettina
no. And, once come of age, decided to turn to Court to obtain the official recognition of the Father. The test of authorship not gave the expected results. But Bettina suspected that there was a sham: the test could be presented this as an double of the Father, as would demonstrate both pictures taken that day is an autograph, which, to a report, would not only done by a mock handed, but also quite different from other autographs of McCartney. The uncertainties continue to accumulate above all in virtue of the last paper, of the last ace
this in the study carried out by Gabriella CARLESI and Francesco Gavazzeni: detail could be decisive.

Technically is called piercing. All we have two, one for ear, but the characteristics are different for every human being . "In Germany, in a procedure for the recognition craniometrie or, the identification of the pavilion headset right is even the fingerprint data, namely the fingerprinting", recalls CARLESI. But what is the piercing? Is that little cartilage coated Leather
that overlooks the auditory entrance of the ear and that, like all the ear's pavilion , is not changeable surgically. How to explain the differences between the right ear Paul McCartney in
an instantaneous previous to 1966 AND IN A made probably the end of the 1990s ? is not only the piercing to betray varying design but also other parties as, just above the entrance auditory, surveys of Litania and the antelice. Things to ordinary mortals may seem insignificant or little clear but that instead, every day, allow experts to detect and identify yet, even in the face to considerations of this type, scepticism is hard to die . "The still now do not know what to say, in fact what you say" admits Gavazzeni that McCartney, whoever he is, it declares fan. While CARLESI is limited to observe: "The doubts are very strong and the discrepancies numerous, but there is expressing yet with absolute certainty. especially because we speak of a character so well-known and more alive.

Before a corpse would be more clear:

the data emerged they would led to, and authorized to proceed with more depth and decisive examinations. However, if replacement there was, the real masterpiece was to find a double with anthropometric characteristics in all, very close to the original "" admits. "There is to say that the analysis monitor
is, necessarily, accompanied by examinations of other Type to make a report certain to 100%".

Without be and without lead, at least in words, to the extreme their investigation, CARLESI and Gavazzeni embody the essence amletica of the legend of Paul is dead. Two different types of rationality are hampered without the possibility of a truth shared. as not to ask oneself as can a man, in a few months, alter form of the skull, palate, mouth, nose, jaw and ears
while continuing to sing and to compose music? There is the difficulty in accepting an exchange of person almost perfect; the other part, the craniometria is not uphold the few indications inserted in the disks , on the covers and in their video from the same Beatles.

But the questions that may have found the answer if they replace other, no less demanding. Starting with the question nobody, including the party in question appears to give an answer: who is the man we call Paul McCartney?



Mediano texto.. " Moroccia - work in progress-".. aunque ya puedo ver lo interesante de la ultima pregunta del artículo


¿chi è l'uomo che chiamiamo Paul McCartney? .....¿Quién es el hombre al que llamamos Paul McCartney??



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Guauuu, moroccia!!!
Recien lo encuentro, pero aun no lo miré completamente...se ve bien interesante!!!!!!!!!!!
Gracias!!!!

PD: POr aqui hoy celebramos el dia del Amigo, asi que desde aqui te envio a vos, y a todos los muchachos y chicas del Foro, un abrazo y como los considero tambien amigos, un muy Feliz Dia!!!!

Saludos !!!
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Gracias Omar!


Saludillos,

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huh... parece la clase de cosas que ya hemos visto mil veces,
una revista haciendo un resumen de las pistas,
con un poco de sensacionalismo estilo esas revistas
cuyos titulares son:
"¡ELVIS BAJÓ DE UN PLATO VOLADOR, HIZO LOS
CIRCULOS EN MI JARDÍN, Y ME DIJO QUE EL MUNDO
SE VA A TERMINAR EN EL 2012!!!!!".


edit: jajaja, y si mejor esperamos a que alguien que sepa italiano
haga una traducción directa?, la traducción al inglés no
tiene sentido!,
"she is an anatomopatologa, he is a computer.You are an expert in
the recognition craniometrico" ella es anatomopatóloga y él es una computadora?
Shocked
"ULTIMO MOMENTO, HAL9000 SE UNE A LA INVESTIGACIÓN PID, AMPLIAREMOS!" Laughing

dejando de lado las bromas,en serio,leer un texto así es como jugar al
teléfono descompuesto. tenemos que encontrar a alguien que sepa italiano,
que no debe ser dificil considerando todos los foros de los beatles/paul/pid que hay,
que tenga paciencia para hacer una traducción directa y no una automática con
algún programa o lo que sea.

edit 2: "blabla OPD".......pfttttttt....... descubrieron la rueda.
además es OPP (ontario province departament), lo que explica
que paul haya dicho "ontario police departament", un sencillo error
por no saber bien de memoria un nombre de una institución, nada serio.
hasta acá todo bien, dice opp, paul se equivocó por no saber el nombre
de una institución de otro país, asi como yo podría equivocarme al
decir las siglas de, yo que se, el equivalente argentino de algún
minsterio que exista acá, no tengo idean como se podrán llamar.
eso si, para ser justo, la foto parece que fuera intencional para que
paresca "OPD", parece que alguien se hubiera tomado el trabajo de
planear el ángulo de la camara para que se viera "OPD", y eso es
lo que cuenta, la intencionalidad y la impresión que quisieron dar,
que es la pregunta de fondo de todo esto, ¿qué demoños quisieron
hacer los Beatles con tanta cosa rara?.

edit 3 y prometo que no jodo más: noten que esta gente no dice nada
de "en realidad dice OPP blabla", se quedaron con la primera capa
de realidad, es decir, se comieron el OPD enterito.
hay 3 capas de realidad:
OPD -> en realidad dice OPP -> pero lo hicieron parecer OPD para
hacer la cosa ambigua

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escuchen el disco en vivo oficial!:
http://paulisdead.creatuforo.com/el-disco-en-vivo-descarga-tema751.html

escuchen el impresionante show en vivo en Paris en el 65!!:
http://paulisdead.creatuforo.com/viewtopic.php?p=13671#13671

escuchen real love a su velocidad original!:
http://paulisdead.creatuforo.com/real-love-a-velocidad-original-tema761.html

escuchen esta exelente versión de \"here we go again\" de john lennon:
http://paulisdead.creatuforo.com/-temas11437.html#11437

conozcan a los shakers!!:
http://paulisdead.creatuforo.com/los-shakers-discos-para-bajar-tema784.html
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jajaja... claro.. está todo mal pero sí entiendes lo que te conviene jajajaja.. de todos modos, PID no se trata de convencerte sobre lo falso de faul

ta bien patula.. entiendo que esto pueda moverte tantito el piso, pero mira el vaso medio lleno.. no te creo tan cerrado de mollera... siempre te he dicho, te tengo fe.

Entendiste donde hace el resumen de las pistas, pero no entendiste o no quisiste ver donde hacen los análisis biométricos.. claaaaro... es entendible.... patrón truby!!.. a desmerecer cualquier cosa que sea a favor PID.

No os preocupeis.. ya se está trabajando en la traducción completa... por mientras... que viva faul!!!! Laughing




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no precisa tener el texto bien traducido para darse
cuenta por las "palabras clave" (estilo "opd"),y por las fotitos,
que tienen un resumen de las pistas y todo eso.

igual del texto "descompuesto" se puede entender y
extrapolar lo suficiente, en ningún momento dije
no entender nada, solo que me parece "más de
lo mismo".
respecto a las traducciónes, insisto,
siempre es preferible el texto lo mejor posible para
saber bien que dijeron los que escribieron la cosa
original, hay que achicar los márgenes de error
porque se pueden ir arrastrando y al final dar
resultados diferentes a las intenciónes originales.

edit: editado para darle mi clásica forma de texto
justificado a la izquierda y que no hubiera una
linea larga escapando hacia la derecha.

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mastropiero
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exelente tema ya voy a opinar, momentanemanete consulto si mejor lo paso a PID

saludos

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dale mastro.. procede


B.A.

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Solamente voy a decir:

No olviden que reemplazado no necesariamente significa muerto.

-Pero vaya, ésto + Truby, son dos bombazos PID/PWR

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Recién veo este tema!

Buenísimo!! pero... es lo mismo que venimos debatiendo en el foro hace años (es más, nos chorearon la idea de sacarlo en un libro), pero que lo diga otra persona en un libro impreso no le da más valor de lo que se discute acá.

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moroccia
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No no, no es un libro, es una "revista" Laughing y sí es buenísimo!

como bien dices, el centro de la investigación es lo mismo que se ha debatido por años, pero creo que la importancia del articulo radica en el "renombre" de los investigadores y por supuesto en el resultado del estudio biométrico que en definitiva nos confirma que "los Pauls (pre66/post66)" no son la misma persona.


Bless

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the_fireman
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silverhammer escribió:



edit: jajaja, y si mejor esperamos a que alguien que sepa italiano
haga una traducción directa?, la traducción al inglés no
tiene sentido!,


dejando de lado las bromas,en serio,leer un texto así es como jugar al
teléfono descompuesto. tenemos que encontrar a alguien que sepa italiano,
que no debe ser dificil considerando todos los foros de los beatles/paul/pid que hay,
que tenga paciencia para hacer una traducción directa y no una automática con
algún programa o lo que sea.



mi novia es descendiente de italianos, lo habla, le mostre el texto, se dio el trabajo de leerlo bien y dijo que en comparacion a la traduccion al ingles, NO HAY DIFERENCIAS.

asi que quedemonos con la traduccion al ingles, pq sirve... lo dice una italiana.

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silverhammer
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no tengo ganas de ponerme a leer todo devuelta para hacer quotes, pero hay bastantes partes que suenan como tarzán.

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escuchen el disco en vivo oficial!:
http://paulisdead.creatuforo.com/el-disco-en-vivo-descarga-tema751.html

escuchen el impresionante show en vivo en Paris en el 65!!:
http://paulisdead.creatuforo.com/viewtopic.php?p=13671#13671

escuchen real love a su velocidad original!:
http://paulisdead.creatuforo.com/real-love-a-velocidad-original-tema761.html

escuchen esta exelente versión de \"here we go again\" de john lennon:
http://paulisdead.creatuforo.com/-temas11437.html#11437

conozcan a los shakers!!:
http://paulisdead.creatuforo.com/los-shakers-discos-para-bajar-tema784.html
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iaaaaa... diganle dandy!...

Bless

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al menos el texto en italiano estaba bien, GARANTIZADO!!! Laughing

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